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[Colderweather86]

Who did you have do the injectors?

 

[txroadkill]

Wouldn’t I only be able to add one gauge off of that port?

The pyrometer would be on the exhaust block off and the boost on the intake. Can’t see a reason to have any more than one sensor on each plate.

 

[Lebers driven]

The pyrometer would be on the exhaust block off and the boost on the intake. Can’t see a reason to have any more than one sensor on each plate.

I want to measure boost pressure on the compressor and exhaust turbine side

 

[Lebers driven]

Just got off the phone with Wade. I asked about modifying the injectors, and he said that he had concerns about the factory injection pump keeping up or something. Long story short, he said I should be able to get all the power I need with going from his stage one to stage two tune with no concerns. I guess injectors are not the move, but I am going to have him bring my idle rpm down 100 RPM. Pretty excited about that one. My main goal power wise is that I want all four tires to break loose with lockers engaged before the vehicle stalls out, and Wade thinks I should have no problem with that with his stage two tune, and the reduced idle rpm

 

[Haerterich]

Just got off the phone with Wade. I asked about modifying the injectors, and he said that he had concerns about the factory injection pump keeping up or something. Long story short, he said I should be able to get all the power I need with going from his stage one to stage two tune with no concerns. I guess injectors are not the move, but I am going to have him bring my idle rpm down 100 RPM. Pretty excited about that one. My main goal power wise is that I want all four tires to break loose with lockers engaged before the vehicle stalls out, and Wade thinks I should have no problem with that with his stage two tune, and the reduced idle rpm

i have seen many post talking about modifying injectors, i don't believe that is nessary. my Rotor makes 175hp and 350 torque, at this power range the fuel pump is maxed out but the injectors are not. this was dyno tuned at Calibrated power solutions when they used my Rotor to delvolep there meth injection kit Also i still have the stock air box and it is not a restriction with this power, so beware with changing to an open filter air cleaner,

 

[Wm435]

i have seen many post talking about modifying injectors, i don't believe that is nessary. my Rotor makes 175hp and 350 torque, at this power range the fuel pump is maxed out but the injectors are not. this was dyno tuned at Calibrated power solutions when they used my Rotor to delvolep there meth injection kit Also i still have the stock air box and it is not a restriction with this power, so beware with changing to an open filter air cleaner,

175 hp? 350 torque!!!

What's your set up to get those sweet numbers?

I'm going to dyno test mine in the future, but I'm thinking I'm around 148hp, going by wades dyno testing on youtube.

 

[Colderweather86]

i have seen many post talking about modifying injectors, i don't believe that is nessary. my Rotor makes 175hp and 350 torque, at this power range the fuel pump is maxed out but the injectors are not. this was dyno tuned at Calibrated power solutions when they used my Rotor to delvolep there meth injection kit Also i still have the stock air box and it is not a restriction with this power, so beware with changing to an open filter air cleaner,

Assuming you still have the Calibrated Power tune, the advertised Torque number is 245, not 350.

 

[Haerterich]

175 hp? 350 torque!!!

What's your set up to get those sweet numbers?

I'm going to dyno test mine in the future, but I'm thinking I'm around 148hp, going by wades dyno testing on youtube.

ok my memory not as good as it used to be so i searched my pictures and found the picture i took of the dyno results, 160.7hp and 345.6 torque. The only change after was the electric radiator fan, that gains about 10hp and torque according to what i have read from Diesel Freaks, vivid racing and CPS. I should have look this up before i Posted. Sorry about that.

Now my set up.
Upgraded turbo
Intercooler
3 inch exhaust, side exit in stock location
Meth injection
Clutch upgrade
Electric rad fan
Stock air box
still on stock 3:73 gears
That sums up my performance upgrades.

with the power i have, knowing that the injectors are not maxed out but the fuel pump is, i don't believe modifying the injectors/ installing an open element air filter will do much. However larger injectors will allow more fuel to be injected at the right time and might get some gains, but again with the fuel pump maxed out that very questionable.


just a two notes on the exhaust, after many years of jeeping when you install the exhaust out the back you will get exhaust rolling up into the cab area, this is why i built my own system to side exit.
the other concern i had is the speed sensor, the wires are very close to the exhaust and over time may damage the wires and sensor. so I installed a 90 degree adaptor so the sensor is parallel to the exhaust then put a heat sleeve over the sensor. I used the adaptor for old Corvettes, the RPM gauge was driven off the distributor and has the same threads.

 

[Haerterich]

Assuming you still have the Calibrated Power tune, the advertised Torque number is 245, not 350.

i do not have the stage two tune, CPS used my Roxor to delvolpe the meth kit. However thanks for the post it did make me look up the picture i took of the dyno results and i was incorrect. final results are 160.7 hp and 345.6 torque.

 

[Colderweather86]

Gotcha. You're spraying water/methanol as well. That's where the big number is coming from.

 

[Wm435]

ok my memory not as good as it used to be so i searched my pictures and found the picture i took of the dyno results, 160.7hp and 345.6 torque. The only change after was the electric radiator fan, that gains about 10hp and torque according to what i have read from Diesel Freaks, vivid racing and CPS. I should have look this up before i Posted. Sorry about that.

Now my set up.
Upgraded turbo
Intercooler
3 inch exhaust, side exit in stock location
Meth injection
Clutch upgrade
Electric rad fan
Stock air box
still on stock 3:73 gears
That sums up my performance upgrades.

with the power i have, knowing that the injectors are not maxed out but the fuel pump is, i don't believe modifying the injectors/ installing an open element air filter will do much. However larger injectors will allow more fuel to be injected at the right time and might get some gains, but again with the fuel pump maxed out that very questionable.


just a two notes on the exhaust, after many years of jeeping when you install the exhaust out the back you will get exhaust rolling up into the cab area, this is why i built my own system to side exit.
the other concern i had is the speed sensor, the wires are very close to the exhaust and over time may damage the wires and sensor. so I installed a 90 degree adaptor so the sensor is parallel to the exhaust then put a heat sleeve over the sensor. I used the adaptor for old Corvettes, the RPM gauge was driven off the distributor and has the same threads.



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I wanted to run meth in my engine.

Wade from DF said although meth works fine, the engine must be HOTTER. If not it will oxidation can occur inside the block. Our roxor engine isn't hot enough to evaporate the water entirely

 

[Lebers driven]

ok my memory not as good as it used to be so i searched my pictures and found the picture i took of the dyno results, 160.7hp and 345.6 torque. The only change after was the electric radiator fan, that gains about 10hp and torque according to what i have read from Diesel Freaks, vivid racing and CPS. I should have look this up before i Posted. Sorry about that.

Now my set up.
Upgraded turbo
Intercooler
3 inch exhaust, side exit in stock location
Meth injection
Clutch upgrade
Electric rad fan
Stock air box
still on stock 3:73 gears
That sums up my performance upgrades.

with the power i have, knowing that the injectors are not maxed out but the fuel pump is, i don't believe modifying the injectors/ installing an open element air filter will do much. However larger injectors will allow more fuel to be injected at the right time and might get some gains, but again with the fuel pump maxed out that very questionable.


just a two notes on the exhaust, after many years of jeeping when you install the exhaust out the back you will get exhaust rolling up into the cab area, this is why i built my own system to side exit.
the other concern i had is the speed sensor, the wires are very close to the exhaust and over time may damage the wires and sensor. so I installed a 90 degree adaptor so the sensor is parallel to the exhaust then put a heat sleeve over the sensor. I used the adaptor for old Corvettes, the RPM gauge was driven off the distributor and has the same threads.



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That was really my goal of a slightly larger injector is, as you said to get the fuel in at the right time, and I wouldn’t consider an open element air filter an upgrade anyway but the vacuum indicator on my factory air intake does get sucked down when I really lay into it and let that turbo start to really build boost under load. I’ll probably wait for a snorkel kit in hopes of it having a bigger intake pipe and able to get outside air

 

[Wm435]

Been looking to get a 4 port version. I have talked to a guy in Kentucky that will custom cast a 4 port head if i get him a stock 2 port. Probably get custom push rods made if i go to this extent.

Any updates to this?

 

[Wm435]

i do not have the stage two tune, CPS used my Roxor to delvolpe the meth kit. However thanks for the post it did make me look up the picture i took of the dyno results and i was incorrect. final results are 160.7 hp and 345.6 torque.

hey sir, do you still have your roxor? and do you still use the meth injection?

 

[Sklmanhoutx]

Hey I saw the discussion on the fuel rails and getting more fuel, didn't Diesel Freaks have a outsourced pump that took care of that issue? I saw that the manual talked about writing new injectors to the ECU using the Diagnostic Tool, does anyone know where to get one, the make and brand and the cost. I have an original 2018, with 200 miles on it and all the stuff to upgrade the turbo, intercooler, etc., bought when prices went down when they lost the lawsuit. I want to do the build and would to have the Diagnostic Tool.

 

[SteveinUT]

Hey I saw the discussion on the fuel rails and getting more fuel, didn't Diesel Freaks have a outsourced pump that took care of that issue? I saw that the manual talked about writing new injectors to the ECU using the Diagnostic Tool, does anyone know where to get one, the make and brand and the cost. I have an original 2018, with 200 miles on it and all the stuff to upgrade the turbo, intercooler, etc., bought when prices went down when they lost the lawsuit. I want to do the build and would to have the Diagnostic Tool.

If you come across a source for the Mahindra diagnostic tool, let me know. I'd like to have one as well. So far I haven't run across one.

 

[Wm435]

Hey I saw the discussion on the fuel rails and getting more fuel, didn't Diesel Freaks have a outsourced pump that took care of that issue? I saw that the manual talked about writing new injectors to the ECU using the Diagnostic Tool, does anyone know where to get one, the make and brand and the cost. I have an original 2018, with 200 miles on it and all the stuff to upgrade the turbo, intercooler, etc., bought when prices went down when they lost the lawsuit. I want to do the build and would to have the Diagnostic Tool.

Unfortunately, it ended as quickly as it began. It took four years to sell 10 of the units you're referring to. These were modified CP3 pumps, worth a few thousand dollars (years ago), which solved 70% of the issue. The remaining 30% (for which you were responsible) still needed to be figured out to make them fully functional. It was an ideal solution, ahead of its time, which ultimately led to its unfortunate demise.

 

[lost1wing]

I have a VW tdi that I had good luck by just swapping out the nozzles on the injectors. The ECU could not be tuned at the time. IQ's could be changed if a over/ under fueling was apparent. I didn't have that so I left it as is. My son is driving that car with the same nozzles at 400k miles.

Is there a chance we could just swap nozzles for a little boost on our 2.7l?